The Great Prescription Skip Debate ---------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter 1 - Discovery: http://pastebin.com/uxWcRhka Chapter 2 - It Begins: http://pastebin.com/wRsNmmhP Chapter 3 - Analysis: http://pastebin.com/iuStxa0J Chapter 4 - Challenger: http://pastebin.com/AuNF3GhC Chapter 5 - Ideas: http://pastebin.com/7SaRZAvA ---------------------------------------------------------------- [15:23] so i went from rboekn sword to eyeball frog [17:50] http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332# [17:52] <+Tompa> Interesting, Jar [17:53] <@ZFG> wtf [17:54] <+Runnerguy2489> that trick by jarvitz makes so little sense [17:54] <@ZFG> the frog tunic [17:54] <+Runnerguy2489> frog tunic!!! [17:55] <%mzxrules> also THE FUCK prescription skip? [17:57] <@ZFG> sock needs to get on prescription skip [17:58] <@ZFG> i doubt ut has anything to do with having broken sword so if this doesnt require rba, this could save time in 100% [17:59] <+Runnerguy2489> I'm gonna guess it has something do to do with false eyedrops somehow [17:59] ya [17:59] <+Runnerguy2489> but who knows it's oot [17:59] probably something to do with false eyedrops [18:00] <@ZFG> hm probably [18:01] hmm [18:06] <%mzxrules> where's jarv's video [18:06] <+Tompa> http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332# [18:06] <%mzxrules> for full run? [18:06] <+Tompa> Oh... [18:07] <%mzxrules> probably defrosted yes? [18:08] <+Runnerguy2489> http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331630841 [18:10] <+Runnerguy2489> wasn't defrosted...camera trick was used [18:13] unfreeze trick [18:16] What's this a run of? [18:17] <%mzxrules> puzzle race i guess [18:17] oh I see [18:17] yeah [18:17] puzzle race [18:18] and i have no idea why that happened [18:18] but w/e [18:21] <%mzxrules> wait what does bomb bag do when on C right? [18:22] <+Runnerguy2489> it links to water temple keys [18:23] <%mzxrules> i mean if you use it as an item [18:23] <+Runnerguy2489> you pull out eyedrops and it says, "can't use this item here" [18:23] <%mzxrules> so jarv coulda used that as well [18:23] <%mzxrules> lol [18:24] i didnt know [18:24] lol [18:24] its eyedrops [18:24] <+Runnerguy2489> ? [18:24] if used as an item its eyedrops [18:39] <%mzxrules> odd [18:39] <%mzxrules> you can interupt getting the zora tunic [18:39] <%mzxrules> king zora, y u so goofy [18:42] <%mzxrules> i think i discovered a new glitch [18:43] <+TestRunner> oh? [18:43] oh rly now [18:43] <%mzxrules> useless atm [18:43] <%mzxrules> and not 100% confirmed, but you can walk around before obtaining zora armor [18:43] collection delay? [18:44] ah i didnt know it worked there [18:45] <%mzxrules> imma double check it [18:45] <%mzxrules> using cheats to reset king zora's text [18:47] <%mzxrules> OH SHIT [18:47] <%mzxrules> i did it [18:47] <+TestRunner> pretty cool [18:47] collection delay on gettng frog from him is not cool though. you lose the frog forever [18:47] i didnt try leaving the area though [18:48] <%mzxrules> i got the prescription frogs [18:48] <%mzxrules> in the collection delay [18:48] prescription frogs? [18:48] <%mzxrules> OK [18:49] <%mzxrules> what I did was [18:49] <%mzxrules> take out hookshot, hold Z [18:50] Puzzle races are the best time to find new tricks [18:51] <+Runnerguy2489> so what did you have mzx? [18:53] <+Runnerguy2489> wait so you can do it without rba? just collection delay? [18:53] <%mzxrules> yes [18:53] <%mzxrules> i think [18:53] <%mzxrules> double check dis shit [18:53] <+Runnerguy2489> um holy shit that'd be amazing [18:53] <%mzxrules> so far i got it with hookshot [18:54] ive never heard of hookshot being used in colelction delay [18:54] <%mzxrules> it's weird, because you can MOVE [18:54] <%mzxrules> but i didn't have to do that [18:54] <+Runnerguy2489> .summon sockfolder [18:54] <%sockfolder> hey [18:54] <+Runnerguy2489> it worked! [18:54] <%sockfolder> I got summoned [18:54] yay [18:54] lol [18:55] did you have your White Summon Stone down [18:55] <%mzxrules> please tell me that was a script [18:55] <+Runnerguy2489> sockfolder: http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332 [18:55] <%sockfolder> lol [18:56] <%mzxrules> i figured out how to do it with a hookshot [18:58] <@Cosmo> oot is a funny game Lol [18:58] <%sockfolder> lol [18:58] <%sockfolder> huh [18:58] cosmo, you see my PG skip vid? [18:58] <@Cosmo> oh yea [18:58] <@Cosmo> nice work [18:59] just checkin cuz you asked for it [18:59] <+Tompa> There still hasn't been any succesfull PG skips on console, right? [18:59] <@Cosmo> do the keese wait longer to come the first time ? [18:59] <@Cosmo> or do they come always at 1 minute [18:59] seems to be 1 minute [18:59] idk though [19:00] <%mzxrules> oh shit [19:00] <%mzxrules> i can't do it consistenly [19:01] <+Runnerguy2489> what are you doing? with the hookshot [19:01] <%mzxrules> yea [19:01] <%sockfolder> can someone link the puzzle [19:01] <%sockfolder> I missed this [19:01] <+Tompa> http://imgur.com/x9chL [19:03] <+Tompa> Demon: Lol, I managed to see the run before you unlisted it ;) [19:04] lol [19:04] <%mzxrules> hrm [19:04] <%mzxrules> now this [19:04] <%mzxrules> is interesting [19:04] <%mzxrules> fuck [19:05] <%mzxrules> ok get this [19:05] <%mzxrules> you need a trade item to do it [19:06] <+Runnerguy2489> any trade item? [19:06] <%mzxrules> seems that way so far [19:06] <+Runnerguy2489> interesting [19:07] <%sockfolder> so what is your method so far [19:07] <%mzxrules> put Hookshot on C-Down (probably not specifically that button), when the dialog closes press A and C-Down, aim up a little, hold Z [19:08] Is there an easy way to practice the superslide to the mirror shield, or do i have to complete the spirit hover each time? [19:08] <%sockfolder> fw [19:08] <@maxx> easier way: go into the spirit temple where the gauntlet chest is, then come out [19:08] <@maxx> after each superslide attempt, kill yourself [19:08] <+Runnerguy2489> what dialog closes? [19:08] ah ok [19:08] <@maxx> select Yes to continue [19:08] <%mzxrules> the one that says Tunic [19:09] <@maxx> and you will respawn near the gaunts chest [19:09] <+Runnerguy2489> ah ok [19:09] last time i tried that i just did s&q and had to re-do the whole run to get there again [19:09] thanks :P [19:09] <@maxx> np [19:09] <@maxx> it's even useful in runs/races if you're inconsistent at the hoverslide [19:09] <@maxx> just in case [19:11] if i choose not to save it still puts me there with all my bombs right? [19:11] <@maxx> yep [19:11] <@maxx> well, all the bombs you had when you died [19:11] awesome tyvm [19:11] <@maxx> not as many as you had when you first came out [19:11] <@maxx> if you used a bunch to die they will be gone [19:11] <@maxx> use ocarina damage buffering to use fewer bombs to kill yourself [19:12] <@maxx> also leevers work [19:12] <@maxx> just don't enter the spirit temple [19:12] <%mzxrules> =O [19:12] <%mzxrules> grab wtf [19:12] <@maxx> the A button always says weird shit right before you get items like that [19:13] <@maxx> like it always says Open at the gerudo archery even if you didn't do ass chest [19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> I can confirm what mzx is saying [19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> this...is...amazing [19:14] <@maxx> what did he do [19:14] <%mzxrules> i discovered a method for prescription skip [19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> it completely, COMPLETELY changes 100% [19:14] <@maxx> oh rad [19:15] <@maxx> eyeball frog without... any trade items? [19:15] <%sockfolder> I'll work on this later [19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> in this file I had...I went from cojiro to eyeball frog lool [19:15] <%sockfolder> can't right now though [19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> maxx: apparently you must have at least 1 trade item [19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> maybe a bottle in that slot too idk [19:15] <@maxx> so how does that wrong warp from fire to credits work again [19:15] <@maxx> mst here i come [19:15] <@maxx> huhu [19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> this means...holy shit 100%, I can't wait to think about rerouting this [19:16] <%sockfolder> but you did need a trade item? [19:16] <@Cosmo> lol [19:16] <@Cosmo> poodle and I were talking [19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> that's what mzx said sockfolder [19:16] <@Cosmo> and we think RBA/BA should be unbanned from MST [19:16] <%sockfolder> omg [19:16] <@maxx> really [19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> I've always thought that cosmo, so no complaints here [19:16] <@maxx> that surprises me [19:16] <@maxx> that he would agree to that [19:16] <%sockfolder> really cosmo? I thought you were against it [19:16] this is mad [19:17] <%mzxrules> runnerguy, imma test bottle [19:17] <+Runnerguy2489> ok cool [19:17] <@maxx> mst with RBA is so complicated to route [19:17] <@maxx> but i guess for starters, BA hammer off LACS is strong [19:18] <@maxx> that could be the first thing incorporated [19:18] <@Cosmo> poodle doesnt think it can save time , I think it might save time but route is hard to think opf [19:18] <@maxx> i think [19:18] I thought RBA was kind of crippled because of it deleting the light medallion [19:18] <%mzxrules> pain in the ass to pull off [19:18] <@maxx> don't rba medallions Enterim [19:18] <%mzxrules> and if you goof, you can't redo easy [19:19] <@maxx> Cosmo: i tried to make a super crazy route with like [19:19] <%mzxrules> haha bottle works [19:19] <@maxx> wrong warp from deku to bongo [19:19] <+Runnerguy2489> that doesn't really surprise me [19:19] <@maxx> and other crazy shit [19:19] <@maxx> but it's super hard to route [19:19] <@maxx> if hammer BA doesn't save time though i will eat a shoe [19:19] <%mzxrules> can you rba bottle into adult trade item slot? [19:20] <@maxx> yes [19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> yep [19:20] <@maxx> green potion iirc [19:20] yeah green pot [19:20] <%mzxrules> fuck yea [19:20] <%mzxrules> double check that on console if you want [19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> I believe you [19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> and it makes sense [19:20] sorry what exactly do you do with the hookshot? [19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> not that...collection delay makes a lot of sense for eyeball frog but whatever lol [19:20] <%mzxrules> aim up so that you can z-target king zora [19:20] ah [19:21] <%mzxrules> idfk why it works sometimes and doesn't others [19:21] <%mzxrules> but that way is really consistent [19:21] <@Cosmo> you should try using spells [19:21] <@Cosmo> lol [19:21] bombs too [19:22] wait [19:22] how to get eyeball frog early? [19:23] but jarvitz didnt do colelction delay did he? [19:23] <+Runnerguy2489> I think he could have by accident [19:24] too bad his highlight of the glitch doesn't show what he did before hand [19:25] <%sockfolder> you can look at the video [19:25] <%mzxrules> someone play around with this though [19:25] <%mzxrules> perhaps there's another way to get it without hookshot [19:25] <%sockfolder> feels like the golden scale as child glitch [19:25] oh yeah [19:25] <%mzxrules> oh fuck [19:26] <%mzxrules> wait that probably wouldn't work [19:26] I'm confused [19:26] yeah lets mess around withcollection delay in pond [19:26] <%mzxrules> howso? [19:26] <%mzxrules> Samura? [19:27] camera lock + telescope in water is hilarious. love tww [19:27] <+Runnerguy2489> I'm streaming it, trying different things [19:27] eyeball frog [19:27] how to get it early [19:29] oh my god it worked mzx nice [19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> lol [19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> just hold R [19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> during text [19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> and it works!!! [19:30] holy shit [19:30] <+pheenoh> zfg [19:30] yes [19:30] <+pheenoh> #route [19:30] Why we broke this game more and MORE [19:30] <@maxx> what [19:31] <@maxx> hold R during kz text to get eyeball frog??? [19:31] it just like gold scale... wait thats holding z.... WTF [19:31] <@maxx> wtf [19:31] <@maxx> hahaha [19:31] <@maxx> oot owns [19:31] <@Cosmo> roglman [19:31] WHY [19:31] LOL [19:31] <+pheenoh> this game... hahaha [19:31] golden scale is target [19:31] eyeball frog is shield [19:31] what's going on :S [19:31] this game doesn't make sense since 2006 [19:32] this is so cool [19:32] <+pheenoh> this means we don't have to go out the way for odd mush either [19:33] <+pheenoh> so good [19:33] you don't have to worry about the poacher's saw glitch uh, that might make you want to do more stuff in adult 1 yeah? [19:33] i seriously cannot believe this. [19:33] <@maxx> lol does this skip the poacher's saw glitch [19:33] I was thinking you could go to spirit as adult now that you don't need the broken sword on the way there [19:34] <@maxx> if you skip past saw can you get deku nut upgrade forever [19:34] <@maxx> haha [19:34] IDK if that's faster... yeah I mean you'd think it would skip the poacher's saw glitch [19:34] what exactly is it is there a video? [19:34] <%mzxrules> imma make a video [19:34] <%mzxrules> will take 10 years at this rate [19:36] you might have serenade now in child 2 [19:36] idk the whole thing's gonna change :p [19:36] doesnt work with anju for cojiro early :( [19:36] how does it work? [19:37] <@maxx> how have none of us ever been holding R during that text in the last 10 years [19:37] ^ [19:37] maybe theres another trigger [19:37] I wonder how many glitches are still hiding in this game [19:37] like unfreeze with the glitch [19:37] did we all do that to unfreeze [19:38] wait [19:38] you get the frog even w/o the other trade items? [19:38] yeah kosmic [19:38] and you talk to him again to get the tunic? [19:38] no you cant get tunic from him [19:39] prescription is a bit broken in bingo? [19:39] lol it will revert won't it [19:39] maybe it's better with Claim Check? [19:39] what does it revert to [19:39] lol claim check [19:39] no need to do the whole quest to bgs [19:39] if you fail to deliver the frog you'll get prescription [19:39] damn [19:39] hahaha [19:39] <%mzxrules> runnerguy, the R method requires a shield [19:39] !! [19:40] <@maxx> lol [19:40] <@maxx> yeah and who ever has one of those, mzxrules ??? [19:40] <%mzxrules> just saiyen [19:40] few puzzle races [19:40] uhh [19:40] <@maxx> shield saves time in like every room in the game in every category [19:41] <@maxx> it's pretty good i hear [19:41] 100% will buy both tunics now lol [19:41] I cant believe i found something useful... [19:41] gratz [19:41] that's a lot of rupees lol [19:41] yeah gj to you guys [19:41] GJ Jarvitz lol [19:41] <@maxx> tunic is like 300 right [19:41] how was this not found before? [19:41] lol [19:42] finding glitches by accident! [19:42] ur good at holding R gj lol [19:42] tunic is 300 [19:42] king zora is really messed up [19:42] yo. [19:42] im the best [19:42] yeah lol [19:42] unfreezes randomly, hands out frogs [19:42] rofl [19:42] KZ more broken than bottles [19:42] ;) [19:42] go through him while unfreezing [19:42] 3 crazy kz glitches [19:42] does my stream show me holding r? [19:42] lol [19:43] you'll have to get the giant's wallet before you go up there so IDK still about going up there in adult 1 to have serenade for adult 2 -- it's also a little bad that you can't plant the bean in zr soo... [19:43] so anything in adult trade item = eyeball frog? [19:43] child 2* [19:43] the ba or bomb bag didnt matter? [19:43] green potion + prescription row, FIND IT [19:43] so like 4 bks is really easy now [19:43] lol Kosmix [19:43] Kosmic [19:44] <%mzxrules> got a video set up [19:44] claim check too [19:44] did people try other npcs [19:44] and boss keys, maps [19:44] i already tried "anju" with no success [19:45] lets make biggoron sword a goal now [19:45] so how was this not found before? [19:45] and how did you find out it was hold r? ive been busy [19:45] mzx and rg testing [19:47] Golden Scale early redux [19:49] <+pheenoh> where is zfg [19:49] .zfg [19:49] -_- [19:50] <@ZFG> hi what [19:50] <@ZFG> was the frog thing figured out [19:50] yes this game is messed up [19:50] does the new trick work in oot3d? [19:50] hold r during text for frog [19:50] <@ZFG> tell me something new [19:50] zfg [19:50] <@ZFG> wow [19:50] New trick? [19:50] u can skip adult trade [19:50] OOT3D? [19:50] What si this? [19:50] I must know? [19:51] Skip adult trade? How so? [19:51] I will test on OoT3D [19:51] wait [19:51] what if you can get quiver 50 with 1000 lulz [19:52] yeah go try stuff. im trying biggoron [19:52] im thinking right now its probably kz only [19:52] someone try poacher saw [19:52] but worth a try [19:53] everything is worth a try [19:53] it seems kz only [19:53] <@maxx> talk to carpenter as child and hold R to get bgs [19:53] <@maxx> imo [19:53] the npc changes so i doubt it samura [19:53] lol [19:53] im great [19:53] just try [19:53] <%mzxrules> uploading video soon [19:53] if you don't try, you might miss something amazing glitch [19:54] <%mzxrules> it might be something that only affects characters that award multiple items [19:54] who tested holding R lol [19:54] Wait whaaat [19:54] doesnt work with biggoron [19:54] <%mzxrules> runnerguy did [19:54] i tried both things you giv to him [19:55] sword and eyedrops [19:55] <%mzxrules> exo, you got a shield on you? [19:55] yeah [19:55] guys da masks ~ [19:55] <%mzxrules> can you do collection delay? [19:55] yeah of course [19:55] you can collection delaye on every single trade item recieved as far as i know [19:56] oh actually not inside houses [19:56] i think [19:57] <@maxx> can you WT BK skip with hammer on B [19:57] <@maxx> lol [19:57] <@maxx> don't mock me [19:57] <+cafde> pretty sure you can [19:57] <@maxx> rad [19:57] <@maxx> how useful is hammer on morpha [19:57] <%mzxrules> hrm [19:57] <%mzxrules> do more research [19:58] <%mzxrules> or write a zsr page on eet [19:58] <%mzxrules> =D [19:58] <+cafde> you have to use default damage [19:58] <+cafde> so not good [19:58] <@maxx> poop [19:58] <@maxx> but thx for info [19:58] <%mzxrules> guys one thing [19:58] okay so [19:58] do i jjust hold R and talk [19:58] yes [19:58] k ill try [19:58] <%mzxrules> talk, then hold R [19:59] <%mzxrules> doesn't matter [19:59] you have something adult trade slot? [19:59] <%mzxrules> at least for king zora [19:59] you only have to hold r when you press a or b to cancel the last text box [19:59] y did he give me the tunic lol [19:59] i have cojiro [19:59] guys get milk from adult talon [20:00] <+cafde> is it for sure that this gets around deku nut upgrade problem? [20:00] <@maxx> what versions are you guys using [20:00] <@maxx> anyone who has successfully done it [20:01] i tried on vc but im going to try again [20:01] odd. i can easily delay collection when recieving prescription but not when recieving claim check [20:01] it didnt work :( [20:01] im on 1.0 [20:01] in b4 1.0 only [20:01] jarv 1.1 [20:01] oh [20:01] <1.2 only [20:02] hold r when recieve bottle lol? ill try [20:03] child pocket cucco totally gonna happen [20:03] lol [20:03] colored gaunts RBAing as child [20:03] rebalance bronze gaunts gain [20:03] again* [20:04] wouldnt be equipped tho =/ [20:04] rba green potion? [20:04] <+cafde> would give you strength though [20:04] like mush [20:04] oh yeah [20:07] k im saved in ice cavern ima try again [20:07] can you not show letter to kz if you have sapphire? [20:07] <@ZFG> how 2 new trick http://pastebin.com/uSGUeWvF [20:07] LOL [20:07] best paste [20:07] lol [20:07] <%mzxrules> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGr-WpZBOs [20:08] zfg: please simplify [20:08] gay [20:08] I don't get all these acronyms [20:08] what's "HOLD" [20:08] ya its not working for me [20:08] whats hte hookshot way [20:09] what thats weird kosmic [20:09] im holding R before text is that bad [20:09] also why cant you show kz letter with sapphire..... [20:09] its not working [20:10] i guess since his text changes [20:10] <@maxx> yeah if you have sapphire you can't move kz [20:10] <%mzxrules> kosmic, do you have a shield? [20:10] <@maxx> ask cosmo how he did in kazooie's puzzle race [20:10] yesi do [20:10] it doesnt work on VC D: lol [20:10] <%mzxrules> did you move king zora? [20:10] yes [20:10] oh maybe thats it [20:10] <%mzxrules> oh fuck [20:10] yes [20:10] lol [20:11] <%mzxrules> this glitch is just like shit [20:11] was this all ready known or what lol [20:11] tiny things [20:11] <%mzxrules> it's known that there's a lot of weirdness to it [20:11] <+cafde> i just did it with king zora moved [20:11] <%mzxrules> like, with my hookshot method you have to angle for some reason [20:11] ur on n64 [20:11] <+cafde> (on 1.0) [20:11] omfg it doesnt work on vc lol [20:11] king zora is so fucked up [20:12] whats this hookshot method [20:12] <%mzxrules> spam hookshot when tunic dialog ends, aim up (maybe aim toward king zora's face) Z [20:12] <@maxx> mother fucker [20:12] <%mzxrules> when you press Z you'll collect [20:12] or a worked for me [20:13] k ima get my stream up [20:14] http://www.twitch.tv/kosmicd12# [20:15] <@maxx> are you allowed to skip dorf in mst [20:15] he probably cant move for it to work. i doubt its due to vc [20:15] I should test this on GC [20:16] but I'm lazy [20:16] nvm, I'll test [20:16] <+cafde> tried n64 1.2 and it didn't work [20:16] :O [20:16] <+cafde> at least not the hold R method [20:16] cafde said it worked w/ moved [20:16] oh [20:16] is cafde n64? [20:16] wait [20:16] <+cafde> yeah [20:16] <+cafde> it works with him moved [20:16] so for hookshot method i just mash hookshot button? should i hold Z? [20:17] just mash hookshot [20:17] no z [20:17] k [20:17] if this doesn't work on 1.2 it's about the lamest thing I've ever heard [20:17] is it 1 frame [20:17] I have file for this, yes [20:17] <+cafde> lol [20:17] yeah 1 frame [20:17] <+cafde> n64! [20:17] o i am bad :( [20:17] <@maxx> are there any trials that would be hard to do with hammer on B [20:18] rg destined to be 100% wr holder [20:18] lol [20:18] <%mzxrules> kosmic, mash hookshot button, and when he pulls just stop [20:19] <@maxx> nintendo discovered this glitch in 1998. when they fixed it in 1.2, somehow they added in drinking empty bottles [20:19] <%mzxrules> well, over mashing won't hurt, you don't cancel the delay if you mash too much [20:19] ok [20:19] you said i need to aim up or something tho lol [20:19] <+cafde> you can drink bottles in 1.0/1.1, it just doesn't restore health (for who knows what reason) [20:19] after you are in 1st person [20:20] really i didnt know it was 1.0/1.1 only [20:21] pretty sure this hookshot thing is <1.2 only too Kappa [20:22] ugh this about the biggest version difference yet [20:22] if this works on GC, I won't never play on VC [20:22] <+cafde> what's the hookshot method [20:22] lol [20:22] <@maxx> i just wrote a dumb mst rba route (no stick b) 8D [20:23] I could check gc IDK if I have a file though... [20:23] hookshot method doesnt work lol [20:23] yeah how would you do team segmented on vc if its n64 only =/ [20:23] <@maxx> i will try playing it this week to see if i forgot anything [20:23] well if it's doesn't work on vc then at the least they don't have to completely restart before of it... [20:25] i dont actually belive this hookshot thing is possible lol [20:25] <%mzxrules> doesn't work in v1.0 heh [20:25] what [20:25] have you ever done collection delay kosmic? [20:25] not in oot [20:25] is colelction delay n64 only lol [20:26] <%mzxrules> o [20:26] <%mzxrules> it's looking like collection delay is 1.0 only [20:26] maybe i shou.ld hold R and mash hookshot lol [20:26] cant i pull out a bomb or something instead [20:26] <%mzxrules> cosmic [20:27] <%mzxrules> can you hear him pull the shield out? [20:27] you can for collection delay idk if it will give you frog though [20:27] wait [20:27] you mean w/ holding R method [20:27] R didn't work [20:27] mzxrules [20:27] vc samura1? [20:27] gc [20:27] oh [20:27] GC [20:27] same thing [20:27] :P [20:28] 1.2 [20:28] I know [20:28] the voids beg to differ [20:28] lol [20:28] <%mzxrules> doesn't work in 1.2 then [20:28] <%mzxrules> no collection delay [20:28] lol funny [20:28] can i use a bomb or something [20:28] <%mzxrules> possibly [20:28] you can for colelction delay kosmic [20:28] ill try that [20:28] that hasnt been tested to give frog thougb [20:29] didnt work [20:29] its funny i actually just made a video of collection delay of adult trade items like yesterday [20:29] then this is found today [20:30] <%mzxrules> it's not working in 1.2 [20:30] <+cafde> jarvitz on 1.0 or 1.1? [20:30] <%mzxrules> it's 100% patched [20:30] <%mzxrules> on 1.2 [20:30] lmao [20:30] so he's dq'd from the puzzle race for using version specific glitches [20:31] retroactively [20:31] lol [20:31] <%mzxrules> lolol [20:31] <%mzxrules> http://youtu.be/kzGr-WpZBOs [20:31] <%mzxrules> but yea in that video you can hear navi yell when I get the the eyeball frog [20:32] <%mzxrules> doesn't happen in 1.2 [20:32] <%mzxrules> wait scratch that [20:32] <%mzxrules> idfk what i'm talk'n bout [20:33] didnt we think kz unfreeze was 1.0 at first. i think wait for sockfolder to investigate X) [20:33] he doesnt make shield noise [20:33] when i try r method [20:36] <%mzxrules> it is very obvious it can't be done in 1.2 [20:37] somebody try 1.0 inject lol [20:37] <%mzxrules> in 1.0 there is a frame where the map comes up [20:37] <%mzxrules> the UI appears very differently in 1.0 vs 1.2 as well [20:37] <%mzxrules> in 1.0 the C buttons fade out [20:37] <%mzxrules> but in 1.2 they fade in [20:38] <%mzxrules> like night and day [20:38] nice observation [20:38] my cart is 1.1 [20:38] so it works there [20:38] yep [20:38] cafde 1.1 [20:38] bingo impossible to balance now [20:39] 100% requires n64 lo [20:39] l [20:39] that suuuucks [20:39] <+Runnerguy2489> fucking justice if true [20:39] <%mzxrules> it's true [20:39] <+pokey> fucking all of you have to drive to each other's house switching carts [20:39] <%mzxrules> i'm convinced collection delay doesn't work in 1.2 [20:39] Damn that sucks [20:39] 1.2 n64 as well? [20:40] i have a 1.2 cart :o [20:40] ill see if i have a file [20:40] 1.0 1.1 only [20:40] ugh that's awful [20:40] gj bingo [20:41] omg the file select [20:41] on n64 [20:41] <@maxx> it's slow as balls, right? [20:41] <@maxx> takes like 18 seconds to open a file [20:41] <%AniMeowzerz> xd [20:41] lol [20:41] the n64 is struggles [20:41] just mail the cart around pokey [20:41] <@maxx> but no classic controller text so there's that [20:41] pretty sure lag is longer than classiccontroller message [20:41] <@maxx> Kosmicd12: go to botw [20:41] <@maxx> on n64 [20:41] lol [20:41] <@maxx> just try to do like, botw chus [20:41] <%AniMeowzerz> xd! [20:41] <@maxx> that first skulltula is like [20:41] i did it once [20:41] <@maxx> 50 seconds of lag [20:42] Water temple [20:42] maybe thats why i had so much trouble learning it [20:42] chug city [20:42] XD [20:42] on that entrance [20:42] oh my gosh [20:42] i have 1 file [20:42] and it hasnt dot skipped [20:42] what do i do [20:42] natural route tim [20:42] e [20:42] wait [20:42] i have the stones lol [20:46] someone dq me from the puzzle race cuz i did a version specific trick [20:46] lol [20:47] wtf [20:47] i just dot skipped on n64 first try lol [20:47] not so bad lol [20:48] <@maxx> why would it be [20:48] <@maxx> tot isn't laggy or anything [20:49] oh uh I had an idea to get chest storage on the greatfish superswim and maybe you could just go up any old wall and pull the ww but when I got double storage (I think I got it anyway...) and opened the chest, I didn't get camera lock.... and then I saved with the chest open for some reason :/ [20:49] <%mzxrules> ok guys [20:49] <%mzxrules> someone figure out how to Z-Target with hookshot out during collection delay [20:50] <%mzxrules> got it to work once [20:50] 1.2? [20:50] <%mzxrules> nah 1.0 stuffs [20:50] well collection delay works differently on different npcs [20:50] <%mzxrules> howso