[2:46 PM] ApparentlyPlant: hello
[2:46 PM] Screevo: oh hi
[2:47 PM] ApparentlyPlant: would anyone like to have slightly philosophical conversation with me about understanding and truth and humanity and video games
[2:49 PM] Mishrak: Hey Jadin
[2:49 PM] ApparentlyPlant: (keeping it friendly ofc) hi mishrak
[2:49 PM] josh: hi
[2:49 PM] ApparentlyPlant: hi josh :>
[2:51 PM] Mishrak: Truth humanity and video games could be an interesting discussion
[2:51 PM] Mishrak: Depending on your approach
[2:51 PM] josh: green like a plant
[2:51 PM] josh: now i play zelda
[2:52 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it would tie in to understanding of differing sides, which to me, with understanding brings peace
[2:52 PM] Mageius: @ApparentlyPlant I'd gladly take you up on that offer, along as a could take notes as it is an interview with you.  Though if you wish to remain anonymous or if it doesn't have anything to do with speed running then you don't have to worry.
[2:52 PM] ApparentlyPlant: lol thx
[2:53 PM] fsg12: share your thoughts
[2:54 PM] ApparentlyPlant: err i'm not anonymous i'm jadin, i'm fine with having a name
[2:54 PM] ApparentlyPlant: well
[2:55 PM] ApparentlyPlant: community keeps getting divided often in different sizes and in different ways, and the more i learn the more it seems like it comes down to a lack of understanding which is hopefully what i want to ... spread or impart
[2:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i know point of lttp and i guess all video game stuff is its own form of escapism which definitely makes life better? in its own way?
[2:57 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but there's also instinctual need for everyone to be a part of something, instinctual need for everyone to communicate, seeing that there's almost 600 people in here, all of us driven to join for our own reasons
[2:58 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it's a world where everyone wants a hero and maybe everyone wants to be a hero too. and can lead to competition. maybe part of loneliness too i'm not entirely sure
[2:59 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but in all this there's... different sides to every story. and in either side of a story both sides seem to have their reasons for saying the things they do, or feeling the things they do
[3:01 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it might even be a difference between what the best thing in the world is to some people. i think, to most people, and including me, the best thing in the world is empathy... would people think about that and possibly agree or come to your own conclusion?
[3:02 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i've seen people say 'the ultimate goal in life is to be free from fear' and i've seen meditators say 'by fighting fear you're still fighting... so the ultimate goal is to be at peace with fear' which kind of makes more sense... peace by understanding, and then it's gone
[3:02 PM] ApparentlyPlant: nobody wants to talk about it in here and i won't go into it too much but
[3:03 PM] TreZc0_: hey guys
[3:03 PM] TreZc0_: i need your help
[3:03 PM] ApparentlyPlant: (hi)
[3:03 PM] Mishrak: the mega interrupt
[3:03 PM] fsg12: what does nobody in here want to talk about
[3:04 PM] TreZc0_: before i keep discussing with wqqqqwrt...should i even bother? i mean, as part of the zsr staff i kinda wanted to defend your leaderboard mods decision to keep a certain run on the board
[3:04 PM] TreZc0_: since i don't really know him
[3:04 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i'm getting into it d/w
[3:04 PM] TreZc0_: and am shocked by his way of handling it
[3:04 PM] Mishrak: I would suggest you ask a mod @TreZc0_
[3:04 PM] Mishrak: Rather than here
[3:04 PM] Mishrak: Probably easier
[3:04 PM] TreZc0_: fair enough
[3:05 PM] ApparentlyPlant: anyway nobody wants to talk about it and this really isn't the place for it either but it still ties into this situation either way
[3:05 PM] ApparentlyPlant: the world is also divided by politics, left and right
[3:05 PM] TreZc0_: okay then. sorry i didn't want to stir up drama if you guys don't want to talk about it
[3:06 PM] Mishrak: It’s cool it’s just easier if you talk to an admin imo
[3:06 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it's a sort of... empathy vs perceived apathy, or what i thought was apathy but might not really be
[3:06 PM] Tojso: it's not that no one wants to talk about it, some of it is just difficult to put into words, and not everyone here is knowledgable about the circumstances involved. I'm certainly not
[3:07 PM] ApparentlyPlant: everyone wants to be nice and nobody wants people to be hurt, i think that's right?
[3:07 PM] Tojso: I wouldn't say that's necessarily true
[3:07 PM] Tojso: revenge can cause people to want others to come to harm
[3:08 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it might not be... but i can say for myself at least, i don't want anyone to be hurt
[3:08 PM] Tojso: I don't either, but pain can warp perception in that way
[3:08 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and i hope people are the same way despite already being hurt themselves
[3:09 PM] ApparentlyPlant: 'hurt people hurt people' and 'misery loves company' are kind of unfortunate truths that keep spreading without awareness, without conscious break in the cycle - their own habits or addictions (and habits are how people work)
[3:10 PM] Mageius: @ApparentlyPlant if you would like your welcome to help us over at the Gold  Split.  We are all fans of speed running and are trying to focus on everything Speed running no matter what community.  If you want more details please dm me.
[3:10 PM] ApparentlyPlant: honestly i feel like most people already know that empathy is required for a good world and one of the most important things if not the most
[3:10 PM] Tojso: I wouldn't say empathy is the end all be all, sometimes painful lessons teach us the most
[3:11 PM] ApparentlyPlant: what i wanted to say about it is that... empathy can be a little blinding... it can be a little misleading, sometimes
[3:11 PM] ApparentlyPlant: that's true
[3:12 PM] Tojso: I think with the way the world is connected now, the amount of empathy we can give to others keeps getting stretched thinner and thinner
[3:12 PM] ApparentlyPlant: a lot of people can do what they think is the most amazing thing or have the most amazing intentions, but in the end they aren't actually having an effect the way they want
[3:13 PM] ApparentlyPlant: one silly example is john oliver getting like tens of millions of signatures on fcc website for them to not vote a certain way on net neutrality, but in the end 3 of 5 people can make the decision and not care about all that
[3:14 PM] ApparentlyPlant: one serious example is people's meditations about gun violence etc
[3:15 PM] fsg12: so what you are saying is that people are not really qualified to make decisions
[3:16 PM] fsg12: because they dont have the proper knowledge to see what effects their actions will have
[3:16 PM] ApparentlyPlant: what i'm saying is... sometimes there's a difference in what is nice and what is true
[3:16 PM] fsg12: absolutely agree
[3:16 PM] Tojso: more that people want things a certain way, and the unfortunate truth is that no one else cares about what you want
[3:17 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and truth, admittedly, is not the best feeling in the world at all lol
[3:17 PM] fsg12: truth does not care about feelings
[3:17 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but what it can bring, is understanding, which can bring peace
[3:18 PM] ApparentlyPlant: idk everyone's opinion on love and understanding (and sry that's a personal topic but going to talk about it anyway)
[3:18 PM] Tojso: but when feelings are hurt, people want to stop hurting, so they stop listening to truth
[3:19 PM] ApparentlyPlant: :> interesting yeah
[3:19 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i should be more a forgiving person, keeping that in mind
[3:20 PM] ApparentlyPlant: what i wanted to say about understanding was, if someone were to tell you they loved you, but they didn't understand you as a person at all
[3:20 PM] ApparentlyPlant: like say there was love but no forgiveness for a certain difference, or a judgement for a certain difference
[3:21 PM] ApparentlyPlant: how would that feel? just asking, if took that to an extreme
[3:22 PM] Tojso: I would not know, from personal experience
[3:22 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i think a think that humans do is
[3:22 PM] ApparentlyPlant: naturally, we judge differences in general
[3:23 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and this is an extreme example but it kind of proves point
[3:24 PM] ApparentlyPlant: would anybody want to marry a squirrel? would anybody want to marry a nintendo ds?
[3:24 PM] Tojso: given the eccentricities of some people, I'd say yes
[3:24 PM] ApparentlyPlant: lol
[3:24 PM] ApparentlyPlant: would anybody here in the conversation though
[3:24 PM] Tojso: I'd probably guess no
[3:25 PM] Tojso: with at least 99% assurance that I'd be right
[3:25 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and why is that... we want people like us, isn't it
[3:25 PM] Tojso: we do, but we also don't want a clone of ourselves either
[3:26 PM] Tojso: since all our own faults become magnified when experienced second hand
[3:26 PM] ApparentlyPlant: who think like us and maybe talk like us and ... it's the kind of unfortunate thing that leads to racism etc. in people who are less aware of these instincts
[3:26 PM] fsg12: i dont necessarily want someone like me
[3:26 PM] fsg12: i have tried that too many times and it doesnt really work that well
[3:26 PM] Mishrak: My rgb av fami is pretty attractive ngl(edited)
[3:27 PM] ApparentlyPlant: we might not want exactly the same, maybe someone better to help us improve, or maybe someone less complex so there's not arguments if relationship is argumentative etc
[3:27 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but similar, is all i mean
[3:27 PM] ApparentlyPlant: all i mean to get at is that naturally we judge differences
[3:28 PM] Tojso: true, that is a part of humanity
[3:28 PM] ApparentlyPlant: especially if somebody thinks differently or has different instincts
[3:30 PM] TheLostLlama: Unfortunately  true(edited)
[3:30 PM] ApparentlyPlant: also, and i don't mean in any negative way at all since i'm on spectrum, but speedrun community is community kind of related to autism. i'm not sure if i can single out video games tbh, since reports show men in general are 2-5x more likely to have autism, but i'm just inclined to think that way due to relatively escapist nature of video games
[3:32 PM] Mishrak: I don’t think I’d agree with your first view there
[3:32 PM] Mishrak: Escapist maybe
[3:32 PM] ApparentlyPlant: is possible i'm wrong sure
[3:32 PM] ApparentlyPlant: maybe just my perception since i'm that way
[3:32 PM] Mishrak: But I don’t think autism is necessarily related at all
[3:33 PM] Tojso: I think it also comes down to video games are purely based on logic, some games have their own logic, sure. but the fundamentals of how video games in particular are made, is based on mathematical logical constructs
[3:33 PM] Mishrak: I play speed games because it’s a nice stress relief
[3:33 PM] Mishrak: And it’s fun getting good at something
[3:34 PM] fsg12: the ritualised act of playing the same game over and over again is a typical hobby for people on the spectrum
[3:34 PM] NachoYacopu: great so now it turns out i have autism
[3:34 PM] NachoYacopu: :DataFace:
[3:34 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but keeping in mind with what i just said about differences, it's frustrating to me that it's labelled as a disorder, which seems like a mental norm telling people who are different that they are 'broken' instead of encouraging them to use those ... mathematical logical constructs - for the benefit of society
[3:34 PM] Mishrak: That I agree with
[3:34 PM] fsg12: turns out it wasnt the vaccines, it was speedgaming
[3:35 PM] Mageius: Ok so I have a quote here bear with me as it's sorce is interesting:
you don't have to step forward to be a hero—everyone else just has to step back
[3:35 PM] Tojso: the problem is the conflation of abnormal with unnatural
[3:35 PM] Mishrak: I want a cape
[3:35 PM] Tojso: not normal does not mean not good, nor does it mean not bad
[3:36 PM] fsg12: labeling it as a disorder is a problem yes
[3:36 PM] fsg12: it is a strong personality trait
[3:36 PM] Tojso: but they way it presents itself can be debilitating in severe cases
[3:36 PM] fsg12: i am interested in speedgaming mainly because of the theoretical work that goes into breaking the games
[3:36 PM] fsg12: and yes i have autism
[3:36 PM] Tojso: which is where the conflation comes into play
[3:37 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i'm just saying... people think it's an insult to be logical about things here, when really it's just a difference... people who see patterns in things and enjoy repetition are made fun of and pushed away from society instead of encouraged, and that's something that will most likely change
[3:37 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and yeah true it is disabling in a lot of ways and i shouldn't ignore that either. there's a difference in high functioning or not
[3:38 PM] ApparentlyPlant: "studies show that while women are much less likely to have autism, when they do have it it is much more of a preventative factor"
[3:38 PM] Tojso: I disregard most headlines that say "studies show"
[3:38 PM] fsg12: "scientists say"
[3:39 PM] ApparentlyPlant: wasn't from a headline, was from a study
[3:39 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but either way
[3:39 PM] ApparentlyPlant: even then that's still not the main point i'm getting at, still ties into my earlier points
[3:40 PM] ApparentlyPlant: a lot of people know this maybe? but homosexuality was considered a mental disability until ~1980 in the US
[3:40 PM] ApparentlyPlant: like tbh people just judge and judge and judge
[3:41 PM] Tojso: my question to you, do these people that judge you matter?
[3:41 PM] Tojso: do they affect your day to day life outside of this perception they have of you?
[3:41 PM] ApparentlyPlant: :> depends on the judgement
[3:42 PM] ApparentlyPlant: this is where my argument gets annoying and i'm sorry for it lol
[3:42 PM] ApparentlyPlant: because first it will turn to racism
[3:42 PM] Mageius: I could l could actually remove all that misdirection on a few things.
[3:43 PM] ApparentlyPlant: or not even 100% racism but it's biggest factor
[3:43 PM] ApparentlyPlant: if you went to 1700s or 1800s and told a slave, 'do these people who judge you differently for your skin color matter?'
[3:44 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it's like... yeah the GOAL, the optimal idea, is to brush people's words off, to be free from that
[3:44 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and you and me, and the people having this conversation, we have that ability, we have that luxury
[3:46 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but if someone really knows that they might be hated for who they are
[3:46 PM] ApparentlyPlant: if different kinds of people are still living in fear
[3:46 PM] Tojso: of course this wraps around to your original point about understanding, where hate is bred from a lack of it
[3:47 PM] ApparentlyPlant: ~
[3:47 PM] ApparentlyPlant: yep
[3:51 PM] ApparentlyPlant: everyone grows up with a different family situation, comes from different circumstances
[3:52 PM] ApparentlyPlant: maybe some people come from family situations so good they'd never need to escape from it to play video games, some people come from family situation so bad that they need to escape to something that can't hate them
[3:54 PM] ApparentlyPlant: who am i to judge, what people need, or who people are... seems like it always comes from a lack of understanding
[3:54 PM] Tojso: so the question is: how do we increase understanding, aka truth, if people are unwilling to hear it?
[3:56 PM] Tojso: and beyond that, what may seem to be uncomfortable truth, could be a falsehood built off selection bias
[3:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: seems like, you can educate by love, or educate by force... people don't seem to take too well to the latter. in fact it seems to cause its own form of apathy idk
[3:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: tbh i've made that mistake of teaching by anger
[3:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: of teaching by FURY
[3:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: dozens of times
[3:57 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but really it was just venting and it pushed people away
[3:58 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but all these serious circumstances of where people came from and what happened later, etc. etc. lead down to the most trivial things that ofc people want to brush off or be involved in depending on how closely it ties to their own reason for happiness
[4:02 PM] ApparentlyPlant: there's still two pieces of conflicting information that community's divided about
[4:03 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i said what i said, and i hated the reaction, so i left
[4:04 PM] Tojso: this is where my knowledge of the community ends, so anything else I say will be based on conjecture
[4:04 PM] Tojso: that isn't to say I don't have my biases
[4:05 PM] ApparentlyPlant: "is he lying or is she lying? why would you do that? why would she do that? who do we attack? who do we, the people that you were friends with for years, and the community that was your home for years, who do we attack? who do we, the people who apparently always try to see both sides of everything... who do we cuss out?"
[4:06 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i fell into that trap harder than anyone so i understand. but it hurts. and fuck all that.
[4:07 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i doubt anybody's free from bias so
[4:09 PM] ApparentlyPlant: if people understood, they wouldn't hate.
[4:11 PM] Mageius: @ApparentlyPlant,  @Tojso
I'll tell you 1 thing and this is really 1 of the most true statements ever:
EVERYBODY EATS AND EVERYBODY POOPS. 
Now trust me here and the is from someone that has seen s lot of things in my young life.  (If you don't believe me I understand trust me I know you probably will try though). I really don't want to explain how I can understand and understand emotional things a lot.  I may be a jack of all trades.  But there is exactly 1 skill I have mastered and that's listening.
[4:11 PM] ApparentlyPlant: :>
[4:11 PM] ApparentlyPlant: u good
[4:12 PM] ApparentlyPlant: still saying what i wanted/needed to say, as me
[4:17 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it makes sense to me now, why people do the things that they do... and there's a lot of people wrapped up in blame, or wrapped up in misunderstanding about a couple of people who either feel hated by lttp community or speedrun community or whatever... and yeah i want the people who are hated to be above all that. i think a ton of people do, even the admitted hivemind wants that, but i'm just kind of person to push for more understanding
[4:18 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it's weird because... i think a lot of people want the truth without being willing to understand where people might come from
[4:18 PM] Mageius: It's cool.  Besides hearing people out and actually giving a damn is the main reason why I could never pressure phycology as a job.
[4:21 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it's probably true what people say about that... most people only care about something if it effects them personally
[4:22 PM] ApparentlyPlant: 'to an extent'
[4:22 PM] Tojso: first of all, what hivemind? how does a group of people coming to a consensus = hivemind? without knowledge of the actual discussions taking place, you don't know what disagreements were raised or how they were settled
[4:24 PM] ApparentlyPlant: referring to a group of people who would all have the same name as an admitted hivemind :> and a perceived general mentality from that
[4:24 PM] Tojso: can't say I've met anyone of that description
[4:59 PM] Gesellschaft: For me a lot of what it comes down to is the golden rule, as well that people have their own sovreignty and free will. Our perspectives are shaped by our world view which can make it fundamentally impossible to understand or even communicate with others, but in that even if people disagree or have wildly different thoughts and perceptions if you care or love people you also have to be willing to let them go... Even if it leads to a dark path at times.
[5:02 PM] Tojso: I think some of the contention related to the discussion comes from people being unwilling to let go
[5:12 PM] Gesellschaft: I think it wraps back to love and forgiveness. Very few have an unconditional love, so forgiveness becomes conditional by extent. You can mix and match the logical with the empathetical, but ultimately a person is their own. In order to judge or assess a situation it can be necessary to acknowledge a standard/law or lawmaker, which ties into the concept of morality and other facets; recognizing the authority and pervasiveness of which these things matter or are to be held. If life/truth is entirely subjective, then any unified agreement or stance is merely just based on a (possible) flippant majority. It's natural to act and re-act based on conditions, but when you surround your love, life, judgment, happiness, desires and more around such things you'll fall into dissent and division, often robbing yourself of the aforementioned. Forgiveness itself becomes a condition, which to some may not be real forgiveness and may lack mercy.
[5:14 PM] ApparentlyPlant: meaning/purpose of life, you mean? at being subjective
[5:15 PM] ApparentlyPlant: yes @ end
[5:16 PM] ApparentlyPlant: which was kind of main point of what i was trying to say...
[5:19 PM] ApparentlyPlant: forgiveness is acceptance and if person feels rejected by society for who they are, it's going to reflect onto society itself from that person
[5:20 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i might be drawing too many conclusions for the reason someone might tell the truth to society or a community but at least i'm trying
[5:21 PM] ApparentlyPlant: all i'm trying to do is get the truth across without hurting anybody, or without people judging each other for it
[5:21 PM] ApparentlyPlant: is that really impossible?
[5:23 PM] jack879: I don't believe that two people can ever understand each other absolutely, but that tolerance and genuine honest intentions to attempt to understand are all that you need. Love and compassion stem from the inability to comprehend another person in their sum total.
[5:23 PM] jack879: For that however, you need both people to want that result.
[5:25 PM] Gesellschaft: Truth often hurts people, regardless of emotion behind it, because not everyone wants to know or accept what's true.
[5:26 PM] ApparentlyPlant: yes
[5:26 PM] Gesellschaft: Many are willingly ignorant, so then you ask, is that okay and/or do I have a right to do anything about that?
[5:26 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but yeah i'm talking about a truth, a fact, instead of a relationship
[5:26 PM] ApparentlyPlant: well it's frustrating
[5:26 PM] ApparentlyPlant: lol
[5:26 PM] jack879: Fact is not truth.
[5:27 PM] jack879: Your truth can be my false, after all.
[5:27 PM] Gesellschaft: To me truth is of the highest standard alongside love, and not telling the truth is to itself not be loving. Regarding politics and even subjects of political correctness, sacrificing truth for unity or love is not true unity and not true love.
[5:28 PM] jack879: At some point you have to take responsibility for whatever reaction speaking the truth entails.
[5:28 PM] Gesellschaft: "Fact is not truth.
Your truth can be my false, after all."

Truth is not relative, what one believes is, but at some point if there is any objectivity to life someone will be wrong along the way.
[5:28 PM] ApparentlyPlant: ty
[5:28 PM] Gesellschaft: People may create a world in their own image, but their own image does not create the world.
[5:28 PM] ApparentlyPlant: that
[5:29 PM] jack879: Reality is not relative but a person's truth is based on their "reality" or their experience.
[5:29 PM] Gesellschaft: I knew a girl that would argue the sky was brown if it was clear blue out, and then when they realized the truth, they chose to be stubborn and said "the sky is broken/wrong". Now, they can believe that all they want, that's their right, but it does not make it right.
[5:29 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and i do have to take responsibility because something like this never happened before to me but really it should/it's karma, considering what i yelled at people before about
[5:29 PM] jack879: It is the inability to comprehend another person in their entirety that requires both persons to take responsibility for what they say.
[5:30 PM] jack879: If you could understand another person entirely, then the delivery of information would be of no consequence.
[5:30 PM] Gesellschaft: When I say truth, I mean something undeniable, not a subjective understanding/belief/reality. A person can believe they see spiders crawling on the wall and that is their truth, but the real truth is they are stoned on drugs and it's a fabrication of their own image imposed on the world.(edited)
[5:30 PM] Gesellschaft: Many go to their deaths believing their truths, but turn out to effectively be lies. It was no less true to them, but transcendentally speaking it was infact not a truth.
[5:31 PM] jack879: There is a contrapositive to truth: False. There is no contrast to a fact. Facts are facts, reality is reality.
[5:31 PM] jack879: False can be real yet not true. Fiction is never fact.
[5:31 PM] jack879: My truth in life may be your false in your life.
[5:32 PM] Gesellschaft: But again this is subjective
[5:32 PM] Gesellschaft: Not transcendental, you're speaking of a type of truth.
[5:32 PM] Gesellschaft: In Greek there are 4 words for love, in English we have 1, so when a person uses love that may be true of a type of love, but love as a whole is multi-faceted.
[5:32 PM] ApparentlyPlant: this seems semantic/irrelevant... jack does your argument have any context in regard to what lttp community's divided about
[5:33 PM] jack879: Yeah. Because you can never comprehend another person, especially by just their words, convincing a person is nigh impossible without some method of valued experience (in this case proof).
[5:34 PM] ApparentlyPlant: lol
[5:34 PM] ApparentlyPlant: so if i have it but want people to see another way?
[5:35 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i won't be believed huh
[5:36 PM] ApparentlyPlant: my point is, if proof is the only thing that people care about, then that's the reason they're not getting it
[5:36 PM] jack879: Sometimes there truly is nothing you can to do provide truth to a person. We believe based mostly on experience, so without that visual experience, we cannot take it into ourselves as true.
[5:37 PM] jack879: That's all I know anyways.
[5:37 PM] Gesellschaft: Proof is to prove something, to establish a fact. There is a difference between that and evidence.
[5:39 PM] Gesellschaft: If undeniable proof cannot be attained, then in carrying a mutual respect or baseline it may be necessary to allow something to propagate. Even if it means a run can never be proved and it remains on a leaderbboard with some feeling dubious towards it.
[5:39 PM] ApparentlyPlant: is ok then
[5:39 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but i think i get it
[5:41 PM] ApparentlyPlant: the whole idea is that people are more important than facts which is beautiful
[5:42 PM] ApparentlyPlant: is my interpretation anyway
[5:42 PM] Tojso: it also comes down to evaluating runs on a case by case basis. some rando comes out of nowhere with an amazing time? watch it closely. someone active in the community gets a pb? less scrutiny is applied. now that leads to a feel that there's some clique of people
[5:42 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and makes sense from what jack's saying too
[5:43 PM] Tojso: even when that's a natural progression of the community
[5:43 PM] ApparentlyPlant: that's the truth for them, but at the same time, for other people, it's going to clash harder than anything, which... idk it makes sense
[5:44 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but that's also what i was trying to get at too
[5:44 PM] ApparentlyPlant: in lil speech. both sides are necessary
[5:47 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i hope ppl don't judge though even still
[5:49 PM] ApparentlyPlant: krystal or wqt. to me the two types are on the extreme ends sure but still both natural
[5:50 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i know everyone seems biased due to things said but
[5:50 PM] ApparentlyPlant: sometimes i feel like only person who really likes them both despite getting upset at w/e things
[5:51 PM] Gesellschaft: I witnessed things from the outside and only more recently became part of the inner community, but I don't really have anyone I can think of I dislike. Might not agree with people but my care for them doesn't change.
[5:52 PM] Gesellschaft: I think wq can be off base at times, but I judge that separately from what else he says or does.
[5:53 PM] Gesellschaft: I think he gets too serious or hostile over issues that don't deserve it, but he's doing his own thing, so as long as he's being safe and not hurting others that is what I care about.
[5:53 PM] Gesellschaft: Same would go for anyone else.
[5:53 PM] tbham: You're saying his diatrabes about people and dragging people's children into his anger isn't harmful to others?
[5:53 PM] tbham: Like, really, with a straight face, you're saying that?
[5:54 PM] tbham: "but it's the internet" I really don't give a shit.
[5:54 PM] jack879: I like wq. Never met krystal though, and wq can be at times too rough and insulting to others..
[5:54 PM] Gesellschaft: I never met krystal, only saw her comment during gdq runs and snippets of things in the past, so I can't make a full judgment on her, but she has (supposedly) said things I dislike.
[5:55 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but... in regard to both of these... people are just complaining instead of educating
[5:55 PM] Gesellschaft: I should state that liking someone =/= caring about them.(edited)
[5:55 PM] Gesellschaft: I care about everyone's well being, even the people I don't like.
[5:55 PM] Gesellschaft: I care about krystal as a person though I've never met, but it doesn't mean I'll even like her or what she could do.(edited)
[5:56 PM] tbham: Who are we supposed to be educating, and educating them on what?
[5:56 PM] Gesellschaft: Want the best for all people, and those that are the worst often need care the most.
[5:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i did same thing too though so. is hard not to just react.
[5:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: ^
[5:57 PM] ApparentlyPlant: if somebody says something harmful they just get yelled at but nobody really fixes problem
[5:57 PM] ApparentlyPlant: same on both sides
[5:58 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and i've been on right or left in both people's situations
[5:58 PM] ApparentlyPlant: so i do like and care about them both.... and i know the way i should handle things i just don't handle it the right way still
[5:59 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it really does create more divide then ppl mock the divide :x
[6:00 PM] Gesellschaft: People are flawed, it's part of life. To me what you're saying is you love or have love for them, even if you may not be happy with them.
[6:00 PM] Gesellschaft: Most people are either not very loving or conditional in their love, so when something goes south or a person makes a mistake, the love or care for them leaves.
[6:01 PM] Gesellschaft: Families can fight, but at the end of the day the love should still be there the same. It can be a hard situation though regardless.
[6:01 PM] ApparentlyPlant: yeah i love em both
[6:01 PM] ApparentlyPlant: thx
[6:02 PM] Gesellschaft: =]
[6:07 PM] jaysee87: looks like I missed some fun :sombreroguy:
[6:07 PM] jaysee87: time to catch up
[6:09 PM] ApparentlyPlant: 'people are more important than facts' wtffff that shit is deep
[6:10 PM] ApparentlyPlant: even if resign self to senses and science, that's conscientious math, existential math
[6:11 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but as far as discipline goes, and as far as self-control goes... idk
[6:13 PM] ApparentlyPlant: thx for putting up with me rambling
[6:16 PM] ApparentlyPlant: @Screevo you can add my times to speedrun thing back if you guys like, or whoever
[6:16 PM] Xelna: Hey Jadin
[6:16 PM] ApparentlyPlant: hey~
[6:16 PM] ApparentlyPlant: hows u !
[6:16 PM] jaysee87: Thanks for coming back and providing perspective.
[6:17 PM] Skarsnik: Do you still have your video of your no EG run Jadin ?
[6:17 PM] Xelna: Doing alright, back from AGDQ, trying different speedgames and working
[6:17 PM] Xelna: How bout you
[6:17 PM] ApparentlyPlant: gj on working
[6:18 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i'm decent enough, going through chemo/radiation/etc. but it's not so bad as what you see on news or w/e, i still have my hair for now 3 weeks in
[6:19 PM] Xelna: how much longer?
[6:19 PM] jaysee87: The only thing I can really say about wq is fundamentally, I think he doesn't believe forgiveness is a real thing, that people can't change for the better. That's the entire vibe I'm getting from his tweets.
[6:19 PM] Xelna: for treatments
[6:19 PM] ApparentlyPlant: https://www.twitch.tv/apparentlyplant/videos/all is in here skars i'll find
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[6:20 PM] Screevo: i promise the oldbois have links to them saved.
[6:20 PM] Skarsnik: noice
[6:20 PM] Screevo: i'll get em all added back
[6:21 PM] ApparentlyPlant: he forgives different types of things where others don't imo! but love, like forgiveness, seems to be thing that's first shown and then understood more
[6:26 PM] Lanxion: anyone for an @nmg-race ?
[6:26 PM] DRock91384: I'm down in about 45 minutes
[6:27 PM] Ninnyz: same, but i request to use SR.tv so i can try it out
[6:27 PM] Ninnyz: if thats ok
[6:27 PM] DRock91384: That's fine with me
[6:27 PM] Screevo: @ApparentlyPlant what name do you want your run submitted under? apparently or jadin?
[6:28 PM] Mishrak: yay jadin runs are back :DataFace:
[6:28 PM] ApparentlyPlant: jadin ok
[6:29 PM] Lanxion: I like the idea of srtv
[6:29 PM] Ninnyz: i wish you well jadin
[6:29 PM] Ninnyz: my mother whent through Chemo and treatments. i personally do not know how it feels to have it, but i can sympethise
[6:30 PM] SNESChalmers: may need a break from work when you guys race, lemme know and I might join
[6:32 PM] Lanxion: im ready as soon as @DRock91384  is ready to go
[6:32 PM] ApparentlyPlant: oh
[6:32 PM] Screevo: holy crap submitting runs for other people is hard. you had 100% wr for a few seconds
[6:32 PM] ApparentlyPlant: another 3 weeks treatments sorry
[6:33 PM] ApparentlyPlant: huh? that seeeems doubtful
[6:33 PM] ApparentlyPlant: only nmg/no eg pls
[6:33 PM] superskuj: he accidentally added any% to 100% board(edited)
[6:33 PM] superskuj: was a good record for 3 seconds
[6:33 PM] ApparentlyPlant: oh lol
[6:34 PM] superskuj: you want all dungeons on there?
[6:34 PM] ApparentlyPlant: thx ninnyz it's ok, it's way easier than surgery
[6:34 PM] ApparentlyPlant: ummm idk is it good
[6:35 PM] superskuj: second place still
[6:35 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i only tried couple weeks or idr ok that's neat
[6:36 PM] ApparentlyPlant: thx guys
[6:37 PM] fsg12: was first place until just a little while ago
[6:37 PM] Tojso: it was nice to meet you jadin
[6:41 PM] emma: Imagine doing a few runs of a category and getting second place
[6:41 PM] emma: I wish I knew that life
[6:43 PM] Screevo: i did a few runs of AD and got 8th
[6:43 PM] Screevo: it was nice.
[6:43 PM] Screevo: well, i guess 9th, since jadin wasn't on the leader board
[6:44 PM] jaysee87: Oh yeah, need to bash my head on the mistakes I'll make tonight on AD :sombreroguy:
[6:44 PM] Lanxion: I thought i was gaining a spot on the nmg lb when you get rid of Krob but now jadins back in lol
[6:44 PM] Xelna: Jadin's All Dungeons is still very good to this day, yes.
[6:45 PM] jaysee87: I don't even know the name of the flying bomber enemies, but they didn't want me to do the spin speed clip by warp by 4, then died to the red eyegore next to lanmo last night. lol
[6:47 PM] Lanxion: !ad
[6:47 PM] BOTHelpasaur King: 
ad
AD is a common abbreviation for the All Dungeons category, which allows some major glitches like Out of Bounds, but bans Exploration Glitch, Door Glitches, and Wrong Warps. See: adtas, adtut, and bombclips for more info.
[6:47 PM] Screevo: !adrace
[6:47 PM] BOTHelpasaur King: 
adrace
https://pastebin.com/jNPJ9kSR ~ There will be an All Dungeons community race held on Saturday Jan 27th, 4PM EST streamed on SpeedGaming. Sign up here to participate: https://goo.gl/forms/fMj3qsRJrFE5Mdfo1 ~ !adtut and !bombclips for more info
[6:52 PM] Lanxion: !glitchtuts
[6:52 PM] BOTHelpasaur King: 
glitchtuts
A comprehensive set of tutorial videos made by SuperSKUJ covering a variety of glitches in ALttP including basic wall clipping, DMA, DMD, Cane of Somaria glitches and more: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPsUbwi58oG_hjrgq1wpYmM3JMEn9b8R8
[6:52 PM] Lanxion: thats it
[6:53 PM] jaysee87: !mothtut
[6:53 PM] BOTHelpasaur King: 
mothtut
tiny moth dik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmR3zO2VQCE
[7:07 PM] Screevo: !kingtut
[7:07 PM] Screevo: https://www.tenor.co/qCR8.gif
[7:09 PM] Lanxion: :desert:
[7:09 PM] DRock91384: im ready
[7:13 PM] DRock91384: @Lanxion
[7:13 PM] Lanxion: same
[7:13 PM] Lanxion: @Ninnyz
[7:13 PM] DRock91384: voice ?
[7:14 PM] Lanxion: mhmm
[7:14 PM] Ninnyz: kk let me set up
[7:14 PM] DRock91384: @SNESChalmers you in?
[7:15 PM] SNESChalmers: want to, but cant :frowning:
[7:15 PM] SNESChalmers: gl hf my dudes
[7:15 PM] DRock91384: :frowning:
[7:16 PM] Ninnyz: All dungeons yea?
[7:16 PM] Lanxion: i dont know all the shit i need to know for AD yet :frowning:
[7:16 PM] Ninnyz: created a race
[7:17 PM] Ninnyz: they are fun
[7:17 PM] Ninnyz: its like nicotine
[7:17 PM] Ninnyz: but much less poison
[7:17 PM] Ninnyz: LOL
[7:46 PM] Muttski: I’m down when I get home if you guys do naother
[8:28 PM] Rambly🌠: @ApparentlyPlant you are such, such, such a fucking dishonest and vile person that you make me sick to my stomach lol
[8:28 PM] Rambly🌠: welp that's all i got
[8:29 PM] Rambly🌠: cya guys later
[8:29 PM] ApparentlyPlant: ? :<
[8:29 PM] Cormag: Hi there!
[8:30 PM] NachoYacopu: that's not a nice thing to say
[8:30 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but i learned the point of what she was trying to say... why's that so bad
[8:30 PM] Rambly🌠: sorry it's not nice
[8:31 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i don't even want her times taken down since it's not the point of what she did
[8:31 PM] Rambly🌠: i guess lying to everyone about motivations for saying krystal's runs are fake is pretty nice tho ^^;;;;;
[8:31 PM] Rambly🌠: uhhhhh huh
[8:31 PM] Rambly🌠: you don't even know what you want lol
[8:32 PM] ApparentlyPlant: why not talk to her first about it pls
[8:33 PM] ApparentlyPlant: we literally just had a good conversation after all of what i said
[8:34 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i know what i said seems horrible (and it's fine because i lashed out at other people harder over the same thing) but
[8:35 PM] ApparentlyPlant: idk i tried to make the main point of everything that i said was that i didn't want anyone to judge anyone
[8:37 PM] Rambly🌠: that literally isn't what this is about and you're probably pretty aware of that, but whatever
[8:38 PM] Rambly🌠: you've continued to set the terms of the argument unilaterally, working on the presupposition that krystal's runs are fake... and then you're playing coy like you don't know that you're doing that lol
[8:38 PM] Rambly🌠: it's bullshit
[8:38 PM] Rambly🌠: and i've talked to her plenty tyvm don't need you to tell me to talk to her about this stuff lmao
[8:39 PM] ApparentlyPlant: so just now, today?
[8:39 PM] Rambly🌠: ya
[8:40 PM] ApparentlyPlant: she still saves people in her own way. i don't hate or blame for that
[8:40 PM] Rambly🌠: what does that even mean lol
[8:41 PM] Rambly🌠: you've literally sowed seeds of distrust and fanned flames of wq's stupid manipulative horseshit so idk what you're saving bub
[8:41 PM] Rambly🌠: but whatevs
[8:42 PM] ApparentlyPlant: the thing about bias is that the people who love her the most are going to hate anything to discredit the most. that's the part where empathy can be blinding, which i talked about. but that's the same thing i gave into when iidx people accused of cheating, and same thing i gave into even more when speedrun people accused of cheating
[8:42 PM] Rambly🌠: it's not anything to do with that
[8:42 PM] Rambly🌠: you're aware of this
[8:43 PM] ApparentlyPlant: it's why you lashed out at me just now, the same way i lashed out at speedrun people in the past
[8:43 PM] Rambly🌠: damn well mr. high emotional IQ over here is telling me why i'
[8:43 PM] Rambly🌠: i'm lashing out
[8:44 PM] Rambly🌠: like, ULTIMATELY i don't give a fuck if her runs are fake!  ALTTP doesn't mean that much to me anymore, and if she faked everything whatever!  but they're not fake and you've helped create a paradigm where the burden of proof is on the runners now, meaning literally zero runs can be "proven" as not fake
[8:44 PM] Rambly🌠: i'm lashing out because you're lying to everyone and being manipulative and it feels unstoppable
[8:44 PM] pechryquri☔: found this picture i think @everyone would like (maybe that's disabled)
[8:44 PM] pechryquri☔: wqqqq and amiibo
[8:44 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i'm not saying i have high emotional iq i'm just saying that's my experience
[8:45 PM] Rambly🌠: you're tryin to tell me how i feel tho and why i feel the way i do lmao
[8:45 PM] pechryquri☔: hey don't delete
[8:45 PM] pechryquri☔: Do Not
[8:45 PM] Rambly🌠: yo nice pic
[8:45 PM] pechryquri☔: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388107975178584075/405538176988610580/wqqqqwrt_and_his_amiibo.jpg bracketed at least
[8:45 PM] pechryquri☔: ty
[8:46 PM] ApparentlyPlant: you can feel however you want, i can't force that on anyone
[8:46 PM] pechryquri☔: i don't even believe jadin or pinkus or whoever believe runs are fake btw
[8:47 PM] pechryquri☔: the made up stuff about framerules pinkus said was just subtext of "i have no evidence, but i'm going to pick the black woman in this suspect lineup instead of the white guys"
[8:47 PM] pechryquri☔: and you know that's true
[8:47 PM] Rambly🌠: hehe
[8:47 PM] Rambly🌠: jadin's case in particular is even... well.  ain't my place to say
[8:47 PM] pechryquri☔: i tried to teach seancass that shit and he's like "but pinkus didn't show any prejudice otherwise"
[8:47 PM] pechryquri☔: neither did carlsagan42
[8:47 PM] pechryquri☔: or countless others
[8:47 PM] pechryquri☔: so gg
[8:47 PM] pechryquri☔: iidx stuff has actual papertrails you can find and prove
[8:47 PM] pechryquri☔: obviously if i spliced lttp it would lol
[8:48 PM] pechryquri☔: cheating in iidx = fraps, gg
[8:48 PM] pechryquri☔: set framerate on AC to 30 or whatever, have fun
[8:48 PM] ApparentlyPlant: this is weird... is it too much to ask how people passionately know they were real runs
[8:49 PM] Rambly🌠: if you set the terms so that the burden of proof is on the runners how can they prove anything
[8:49 PM] pechryquri☔: i don't think anyone on srl understands that there isn't anything ever done in speedrunning comparable to dolce scores
[8:49 PM] Rambly🌠: handcam can be faked even so
[8:49 PM] Rambly🌠: as has been proven in the past
[8:49 PM] pechryquri☔: lttp is easy
[8:49 PM] pechryquri☔: who cares
[8:49 PM] Rambly🌠: like ok yeah DTD was an asshole who faked runs w/e but that came out
[8:50 PM] pechryquri☔: ya that stuff is always found
[8:50 PM] pechryquri☔: fake iidx scores in a community other ppl were faking in says nothing about accomplishments that are 1/1000th as impressive that came before or after it
[8:50 PM] pechryquri☔: such as ro1 or iidx
[8:50 PM] pechryquri☔: er
[8:50 PM] pechryquri☔: ro1 or lttp
[8:51 PM] Rambly🌠: so isn't it better to assume that runs aren't fake until good evidence comes out otherwise and not just listen to this person who's just screaming "fake" and trying to set the terms of the argument on his own because he's bitter that he didn't get to have sex with krystal's cousin
[8:51 PM] Rambly🌠: oops btw
[8:51 PM] pechryquri☔: it's just fun to illustrate how toph for example completely forgave vgta for faking AN ENTIRE ACCOUNT
[8:51 PM] Rambly🌠: i wasn't supposed to say that
[8:51 PM] pechryquri☔: coz he's One Of The Bois
[8:51 PM] pechryquri☔: but ya
[8:51 PM] ApparentlyPlant: you admitted to photoshopping iidx pic, to lying about hundreds of max l7 scores, admitted about other fake stuff like d.c. fish score and 98% bitter choc striker score
[8:51 PM] pechryquri☔: "hitler killed a couple people? it's aight he's my bro"
[8:51 PM] pechryquri☔: ya duh that's not related to other games
[8:51 PM] pechryquri☔: -_-
[8:52 PM] ApparentlyPlant: why bringing personal stuff into this :<
[8:52 PM] pechryquri☔: what's personal
[8:52 PM] Rambly🌠: bc your motivations are personal
[8:52 PM] pechryquri☔: it's a good opportunity to teach/demonstrate prejudice as it happens
[8:52 PM] Rambly🌠: i think ppl deserve to know the truth about that
[8:52 PM] pechryquri☔: velius and wqqqqwrt are hiding their hatred of women behind fake logic
[8:52 PM] pechryquri☔: and this is exceedingly obvious
[8:52 PM] ApparentlyPlant: ok fine
[8:52 PM] pechryquri☔: to generally anyone
[8:53 PM] ApparentlyPlant: attention to 600 people i got catfished and got 25 fake pictures over several years, and i felt manipulated
[8:54 PM] Rambly🌠: you didn't get catfished
[8:54 PM] Rambly🌠: lmao
[8:54 PM] Rambly🌠: that ain't what it was
[8:54 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i got lied to about iidx scores and i felt manipulated
[8:54 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i was really dumb and made dumb mistakes
[8:54 PM] pechryquri☔: i have one of truecontrol's development prototype multireplay tasbots
[8:55 PM] pechryquri☔: for business (repro testing) lol
[8:55 PM] pechryquri☔: if i wanted to Fake Some Speedrun Stuff
[8:55 PM] pechryquri☔: i'd just console sync smb1, sm64, lttp, etc
[8:55 PM] pechryquri☔: that'd be stupid tho.
[8:55 PM] WillardJBradley: :ThisIsFine~1:
[8:55 PM] pechryquri☔: but just saying
[8:55 PM] ApparentlyPlant: this is what turns people away from the empathy you're trying to teach people though
[8:56 PM] pechryquri☔: how?
[8:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i tried to get people to care and i tried to get people to understand
[8:56 PM] Rambly🌠: if you feel "turned away" from empathy that's on you and nobody else
[8:56 PM] Rambly🌠: if empathy isn't a natural state for you, then idk what to tell you
[8:56 PM] ApparentlyPlant: the whole time i was saying to people, don't judge, instead, understand
[8:56 PM] Rambly🌠: most people do understand, that's the thing
[8:56 PM] Rambly🌠: who's the one that doesn't understand here
[8:57 PM] Rambly🌠: like everyone in krys' discord was pretty understanding, you're like the odd one out bc you can't overcome your own biases
[8:57 PM] Rambly🌠: so, shrug.
[8:57 PM] pechryquri☔: i'm just pointing out actual observable stuff instead of being like "nothing can ever be known to be intrinsically true or false. BUT since krys is a girl my internalized misogyny leads me to not give benefit of the doubt"--pinkus
[8:57 PM] ApparentlyPlant: just because society doesn't accept people doesn't make it right to manipulate them or lie to them
[8:57 PM] ApparentlyPlant: 'two wrongs don't make a right' thing
[8:57 PM] pechryquri☔: draw your own conclusions tho
[8:58 PM] Rambly🌠: if that's how you're going to categorize it in your head then
[8:58 PM] Rambly🌠: w/e
[8:58 PM] Rambly🌠: you do realize it's your own lack of understanding that's the issue here, right
[8:59 PM] Rambly🌠: i mean whatever, like, that's your issue
[8:59 PM] Rambly🌠: just don't drag the entire speedrun community into it because you feel scorned
[8:59 PM] Rambly🌠: if you don't want me bringing personal stuff into it
[8:59 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i feel like you guys got treated unfairly by society's normal sense of morality and in turn rejected it
[8:59 PM] Rambly🌠: maybe don't use personal stuff as motivation for literally lying to everyone
[8:59 PM] Rambly🌠: you're an idiot if you think that
[8:59 PM] Rambly🌠: lol
[8:59 PM] Rambly🌠: that's such a bad way of framing it
[9:00 PM] ApparentlyPlant: all i did was try to prevent unrelated people from being lied to
[9:00 PM] Rambly🌠: but you didn't
[9:00 PM] Rambly🌠: you ended up telling your own lies instead
[9:00 PM] ApparentlyPlant: you're still using passion to defy common sense
[9:00 PM] Rambly🌠: don't act like you're some hero because you're scared to examine your own motivations
[9:00 PM] Rambly🌠: nope
[9:00 PM] Rambly🌠: that's u sry
[9:00 PM] pechryquri☔: idk what you tried to do but a smear campaign with 0 evidence doesn't seem like a very good thing to pursue?
[9:00 PM] Rambly🌠: yep
[9:01 PM] pechryquri☔: jiano ain't been around for ages but could just have him come back and say "yea krys passed live verify in races, u guys are nerds LOL" or w/e
[9:01 PM] Rambly🌠: yeah i don't know
[9:01 PM] Rambly🌠: i asked you like a billion times for SOME kind of evidence?  even just a little bit, even just one tiny thing
[9:01 PM] Rambly🌠: and you have the gall to tell me that i'm the one who's using passion to defy common sense?
[9:01 PM] Rambly🌠: like,
[9:02 PM] Rambly🌠: if we're talking feelings vs. logic here i think it's a LITTLE more logical to like
[9:02 PM] Rambly🌠: want evidence behind accusations
[9:02 PM] Rambly🌠: hi guys
[9:02 PM] Rambly🌠: ^_^
[9:03 PM] ApparentlyPlant: [9:39 PM] pechryquri:umbrella:: i only apologized to kalu
[9:39 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but it's not like people don't want to understand
[9:39 PM] pechryquri:umbrella:: out of anyone on srl or vja or wherever
[9:39 PM] pechryquri:umbrella:: only 1 person
[9:03 PM] Rambly🌠: @🍔💊ohaithereman💊🍔 whats up?
[9:03 PM] Rambly🌠: wanna chat?
[9:03 PM] Alkobakknarko: naH
[9:03 PM] Rambly🌠: lmao!!!!!!!!!!!! xDD
[9:03 PM] pechryquri☔: how about a swastika alkobakknarko
[9:03 PM] pechryquri☔: that'd be pretty epic
[9:03 PM] pechryquri☔: just desensitize yourself
[9:03 PM] pechryquri☔: it's not like they're ever harmful
[9:04 PM] Rambly🌠: epic win
[9:04 PM] ApparentlyPlant: this is what i was talking about too
[9:04 PM] pechryquri☔: [19:25:15] <funkdoc> words also have power that those in power give them
[19:25:31] <funkdoc> they represent awful and (worst of all) often unavoidable realities
[19:26:09] <funkdoc> there are a good number of trans women who are regulars in my stream
[19:26:32] <funkdoc> if you'd seriously try to tell them that they're wrong for thinking those words matter
[19:26:39] <funkdoc> you deserve whatever you get
[19:26:57] <funkdoc> this is a conversation where dudes' opinions are irrelevant
[19:27:51] <funkdoc> "it's Joke" has never been a valid excuse and i thought ppl learned this shit years ago
[19:28:35] <funkdoc> others' suffering >>>>>>>>>> one moron's "humor"
[19:30:55] <funkdoc> power changes the ethical dimensions of a lot of things
[19:31:14] <funkdoc> words that represent violence toward the oppressed have a power to them that others dont
[19:31:31] <funkdoc> because there is a real history and real power structure to back it all up
[19:31:46] <funkdoc> this is the difference between "tranny" and "kill all men"
[9:04 PM] pechryquri☔: this? yeah
[9:04 PM] ApparentlyPlant: educating with love vs educating with hate
[9:05 PM] pechryquri☔: that's hate? ok
[9:05 PM] ApparentlyPlant: if people just lash out at each other over every thing we don't know then it just creates more of a divide
[9:05 PM] pechryquri☔: you're mixing hate up with "having to face that i'm ever wrong in any capacity"
[9:05 PM] pechryquri☔: and just react with "but i'm not a nazi at least"
[9:05 PM] pechryquri☔: or whatever
[9:05 PM] ApparentlyPlant: everyone is wrong in their lives, everyone makes mistakes
[9:06 PM] pechryquri☔: pointing them out and how to improve from them is not hate tho
[9:06 PM] ApparentlyPlant: we all do, and then we learn from it
[9:06 PM] ApparentlyPlant: yes pointing it out peacefully, like i really really tried to do when i talked to people
[9:07 PM] pechryquri☔: actual stuff = for example, when lee failed carl's live proofcall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXJPliCRxH4&t=14m05s
YouTube
Lee TG
YI Any% Warpless WR Part 1


[9:07 PM] pechryquri☔: and was only able to be like "i counterclaim tas LMAO!!"
[9:07 PM] pechryquri☔: and play it off as a joke
[9:08 PM] pechryquri☔: only carl and i know that lee's runs were smv playback pretty much
[9:08 PM] pechryquri☔: that's an actual thing to pursue, not being like "some runs i don't know are fake may or may not be real or fake. Really Makes U Think eh"
[9:09 PM] ApparentlyPlant: you sent me picture of you before i ever asked. and weirdly enough i forgave every picture thing
[9:09 PM] ApparentlyPlant: but then would never admit to the iidx/lttp stuff and i felt like that was out of context, that was too far, that was unrelated
[9:10 PM] pechryquri☔: i could disprove that with logs but idc
[9:10 PM] ApparentlyPlant: so i got upset at it all
[9:10 PM] pechryquri☔: lttp IS unrelated to iidx lol
[9:11 PM] pechryquri☔: it is literally as unrelated and separate as ro1 stuff
[9:11 PM] ApparentlyPlant: you always tried to say video game stuff wasn't important but you were never honest with me about it whenever i asked
[9:11 PM] pechryquri☔: but i guess since no one would give a shit and you don't know the game very well you didn't feel a need to pursue a smear campaign there
[9:12 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and even then i didn't know wasn't honest about ro1 stuff until the day admitted iidx lies to chat
[9:12 PM] pechryquri☔: "hello Ragnarok Online. this is Fake actually http://www.playragnarok.com/community/hallofhonordetail.aspx?id=29&p=3 have a nice day. evidence: another video game"
[9:12 PM] pechryquri☔: "LOL hi jadin" -- shao
[9:12 PM] pechryquri☔: etc
[9:13 PM] pechryquri☔: video game stuff isn't as important as truthfulness w/ emotions and all that
[9:13 PM] pechryquri☔: unfortunately whenever that gets brought up you instantly try to invalidate it as "personal life"
[9:13 PM] pechryquri☔: and stuff..
[9:13 PM] ApparentlyPlant: you're right, it's not, and that's even the conclusion i myself came to in here
[9:14 PM] pechryquri☔: ok
[9:14 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i thought it was a very good conclusion until you guys came in and started lashing out defensively
[9:14 PM] pechryquri☔: it gets old is all
[9:15 PM] pechryquri☔: and there's still going to be the hurt from not only being twotimed but being told "you both know you weren't REALLY cheated on"
[9:15 PM] pechryquri☔: what more can you do to a rape victim than tell them how much they 'know' they wanted it, right?
[9:15 PM] ApparentlyPlant: i told everyone in here people were more important than facts :<
[9:16 PM] pechryquri☔: you can just say there's no actual evidence that some shitty video game stuff is ~Faked~ and that you were just projecting and are unwilling to discuss personal issues/flaws
[9:17 PM] ApparentlyPlant: and it's still true but at the same time it's not right to use someone else's picture as your own for 7+ years, it's not right to lie about silly video game stuff, even if that's not as important as life, you have to understand those people are still going to feel used
[9:17 PM] pechryquri☔: people have a very difficult time ever admitting they're wrong tho, i guess
[9:17 PM] Rambly🌠: hi cfb ^_^
[9:17 PM] Rambly🌠: you're my fav!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[9:17 PM] 🍔💊ohaithereman💊🍔: :pepeComfy:
[9:17 PM] cfb: "Ok," Blob thought aloud, "we'll just need to acquire the proper funds. I don't suppose you know where we can get enough money. Maybe your family could help?"

"No, we're poor. That's why we had to buy this tiny house right next to the subway. And, I doubt my mom would help me anyway ... hey, I just remembered! I've heard that below the subway, there's a cave with lots of treasure. I tried finding it myself when I first moved here but ... I'm sorry Blob."

Blob then hopped over to Boy's feet, looked in his eyes, and said, "Ah, but that was before you met me. I'm going to tell you a secret."

"A s-s-secret?" Boy stammered.

"I'm a magic blob," Blob whispered, "but don't tell anybody. Do you have any jellybeans?"
[9:17 PM] cfb: "Jellybeans? Um, yeah, I just bought some after school. They're inside the house. Hold on," Boy said as he raced up to his room.

Boy found the jellybeans and before leaving told his mother he's going to spend the night at the subway with his friend Blob. She didn't bother responding. Boy then left.

"Blob, Blob, I found 'em! What do you want me to do?"

"Just hold on to them for now," said Blob, "I'll show you once we get to the subway. Would you please lead the way?"

Boy stuffed the jellybeans into his backpack and ran toward the subway, excited about the adventure he and his new friend were about to have.
[9:17 PM] cfb: Chapter 1

"Blob, where are you!" Boy yelled up the subway stairs.

"I'm sorry, I can't move that fast, on account of me being a blob and all," Blob huffed as he made his way down the stairs. "Quick, feed me a punch jellybean."

Boy reached into his backpack and tossed a jellybean towards the bottom of the stairs. With perfect timing, the jellybean landed in Blob's mouth as soon as he stopped. Boy watched as Blob proceeded to morph into a flat circle.

"Whoa!" Boy excitedly exclaimed, "Jellybeans make you change shape! Awesome!"
[9:18 PM] cfb: "Now you know why I'm a magic blob. In fact, each jellybean flavor turns me into something different. If you want to turn me back into a blob, just whistle," Blob explained. "Now fall through the hole I just created."

"I'm scared," Boy cried, wondering how Blob's new shape melted away the subway floor.

"Come on!" Blob snapped. "Oh, um, I mean, don't be scared; you can trust me."

Boy crossed his fingers and fell through the hole, whistling on the way down. He saw a blue bag full of blue coins on a ledge a few feet away.

"Blob, we did it! We found the treasure!" Boy gleefully exclaimed. But as he excitedly ran towards the ledge, he let slip a jellybean from his fingers. Miraculously, Blob appeared where the jellybean landed.

"How ... how did you do that?" Boy asked.
[9:18 PM] Alkobakknarko: LOL
[9:18 PM] cfb: "Magic," Blob slyly replied. "You must have some Ketchup beans in your bag. That only happens with Ketchup beans."

"Why would there be Ketchup jellybeans? That's disgusting," said Boy with a sour face.

"Looks like someone played a joke on you kid," Blob said, trying not to laugh. "Enough chit-chat, feed me a licorice jellybean so we can get that bag of treasure!"

Soon, after climbing the ladder the licorice jellybean had caused Blob to morph into, Boy held the treasure in his hands, marveling at how the coins weren't the usual gold color he was used to seeing.

"This should be enough to buy those vitamins," Boy said. "How do we get back up?"
[9:18 PM] cfb: Blob stared at Boy incredulously. "One measly bag of coins isn't enough for my people. And you know what they say: 'Why take one bag of treasure when you can take them all?'"

Boy was confused. "Are you ok Blob?" he asked.

"Yeah ... um, yeah ... uh, we really should find more treasure if we want my mission to be a success."

With that, Boy and Blob were on their way. After clever utilization of another ketchup jellybean followed by a punch, Boy and Blob found a chest full of treasure guarded by a giant snake.

"Please do exactly as I tell you," Blob insisted. "First, feed me a vanilla bean; it'll save time later."

"An umbrella? How is that going to help us with this snake?" Boy asked.
[9:18 PM] cfb: "It's not; we'll need it for the jump we'll have to make."

"Wait. What jump? How do you know what's ahead."

"Um ... never mind that now," Blob said at a loss for words. "Now! Run!"

Within moments, they were past the snake and gently floating down through the air.

"Hey, look at that giant spider web," Boy directed.

"I see it," Blob replied. "We'll need to burn through it."

"Can't I just knock it aside with my hands?" Boy asked.
[9:18 PM] cfb: "No," said Blob. "Drop me, grab that treasure over there, and feed me a cinnamon jellybean."

Boy did just that and used the resulting blowtorch to scorch the web.

"That was good," Blob said, "but you shouldn't have drifted so close to the wall. We would've saved two seconds had you dropped me closer to the ledge we just jumped from."

Looking ahead, Boy and Blob saw boulders as big as Boy's head raining down. "This could be trouble," both thought simultaneously.
[9:18 PM] cfb: Chapter 2

At Blob's suggestion, Boy turned Blob into an umbrella again and used it to protect his head from the rocks. As Boy ran through the area, Blob watched as Boy's feet kicked out from under the protective field of the umbrella.

"Why are you kicking your feet so far out in front of you!?" Blob yelled. "If one of those rocks hits your leg, you'll be crippled!"

Seeing one about to do just that, Boy wasted a second doing a quick stutter-step to avoid it. Once they were past the rocks, Boy used a strawberry jellybean to turn Blob into a bridge, which he crossed to get to the next treasure chest while avoiding another snake. However, after whistling to change Blob back, Boy could've ran through the gap a bit earlier since only the snake's head can harm him, not the rest of its body.

Tired of waiting for Blob to catch up, Boy threw a ketchup jellybean to teleport Blob in front of him. Then, Boy tossed Blob a tangerine jellybean so he could grab the diamond floating above.
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD
pepeComfy1
[9:18 PM] cfb: "How is that diamond just floating in the air like that?" Boy asked as he jumped on the trampoline.

"I don't know," said Blob, "but if you didn't walk so clumsily, you could've jumped on the trampoline a tad faster."

"Why are you being so mean Blob?" Boy quietly asked after falling down with the diamond.

"Oh, I'm sorry kid. I didn't mean to upset you. Forget I even mentioned it."

Within seconds, Boy found a room with more treasure and another snake. Even though Boy could've reached the treasure faster by sliding his feet, he figured he didn't want to risk the snake biting him so he just waited patiently for a clear path.

After grabbing the treasure and whistling for Blob, Boy fell through the nearby hole, threw a ketchup jellybean to make Blob catch up and then climbed him to get a treasure on a ledge high above. Once that was done, he fell through the ledges until coming to an open area.
[9:18 PM] cfb: "Where do we go now?" Boy asked.

"Up," Blob said. "Turn me into a trampoline again."

"You mean way up there," Boy said as he pointed. "That's way too high!"

"Don't worry. You'll be fine. Come on, let's go."

Boy feed Blob a tangerine jellybean and after a few jumps, was near the ceiling of the cavern.
[9:18 PM] EvilAsh25: @cfb please stop now
[9:18 PM] cfb: "Jump toward the ledge and use ketchup to teleport me up there after you land!" Blob yelled.

"I'll never make it," Boy screamed.

"Yes you will!" Blob yelled with a slightly annoyed tone. "Jump! Now!"

With great apprehension, Boy jumped toward the edge, and wondered, as he fell through the air, if he had made a terrible mistake.
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: : hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: : hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD
pepeComfy1
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: : hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: : hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD: hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: : hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: : hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD
pepeComfy1
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: : hey @cfb cfb why don't you go run in front of a bus and kill yourself epic joke!!!!!!!!!!! xDDDDD
[9:18 PM] EvilAsh25: and rambly
kappa1
[9:18 PM] Rambly🌠: seriously though kill yourself irl
[9:19 PM] jack879: yeah cfb !
[9:19 PM] Mishrak: Wow this chat rofl
[9:19 PM] jack879: I'm gonna do it for you at NASA
[9:19 PM] audeity: the only thing you can change is yourself tbh
[9:19 PM] andrew: I stand with the :cfb1RabidRacc:
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[9:19 PM] jack879: foosda are you booking rooms yet and do I get the underside of your mattress
[9:19 PM] mash112: :ThisIsFine~1: